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Have you ever raised and trained a young dog? Then, run him with an experienced dog? Anything can happen, right? How would you handle it when a young dog’s training is trumped by instinct?
Duke arrived at Eagle Nest Lodge days earlier, had never hunted with anyone from the lodge. But his genetics were superb. Fortunately, Ty the Irish Red Setter had a full complement of tolerance genes. Watch what happens and maybe you’ll win a limited-edition Wingshooting USA long-sleeve tour t-shirt by answering the trivia question at the end of the video clip! [I’ll pick one winner from all correct answers.]
In your answer email, tell me what you would have done in the same situation … I can use all the help I can get with Manny! Thanks.
[Vote fast! This trivia quiz closes Dec. 24 at midnight.]
Scott Linden Outdoors 
The answer is Kurzhaar. The Shorthair should have been on a check chord. He shouldn’t have been allowed to flush the bird and he did not earn the retrieve. It was the Setters bird. The Shorthair should be run on birds by himself until he handles them properly. He learned that if he flushes the bird he gets a reward (the retrieve).
Shorthair == Kurzhaar
As soon as the GSP came up behind the red dog I would have gave the WHOA and brought him back behind and to the side of the dog on point. I would have had a second hunter or a “Shooter” come in while I maintain control of the young dog and have the shooter flush and shoot the bird. If all this went off without a problem I would try to give the GSP the retrieve as a reward. At the very least I would have had the GSP on a check cord and not allow him to bust the bird. What a fun day to watch a young dog come into his own. We love our GSP. Thanks for the show.
Shon
To everyone who made cogent observations and suggestions … thanks. Young Duke will undoubtedly come into his own and become more disciplined … his owners/trainers are top notch and their other dogs are incredible.
Kurzhaar
Kurzhaar.
German word for shorthair: kurzhaar
What a great opportunity for the GSP pup to hunt with an experienced Irish Setter. As seen on your show, the GSP caught on quickly. With such an outcome, I would not change a thing. Although hindsight is priceless, a check cord would be a great tool if the GSP continued to bust birds and fail to honor.
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The Irish was setting not pointing but held his head up and was looking around instead of down low and towards the bird. He had the bird in the right spot but probably didn’t have enough genetics in him to complete the set.
The GSP was just let loose to bust up the setting Irish. It didn’t look like it did anything or even knew a bird was there. Once flushed and shot the GSP made a great retreival.
It’s been known for many years the Irish don’t have the bloodlines anymore for hunting, at least not that dog.
I’d stick with the GSP cause it’s got the retrieval down but needs to learn to hunt birds.
kurzhaar
Many opinions but I liked the fact that the
GSP went for the the bird as a pup. The honor will come with more training.
My Black Lab “Crockett” had an excellent duck hunting season he just turned 7 so with
luck we have several more years together.
Keep working the pup and it will all come
together.
Tom
KURZHAAR.
I don’t believe the GSP should have been allowed to go in break another dogs point. I am more familiar with quail hunting & that is for sure, not what you want to happen with quail. I have seen older dogs start flushing birds if a young dog is allowed to bust through their point a few times. They do this if a dog gets close to “their” point, to keep the other dog from getting the credit.
If my intent was to see what he would do: Pull the other dog off and put a check cord on the German dog. Lead him in and smell the bird, and make this fun the first times but do not shot the bird untill he points. Flushing is ok untill he is more aware. If I remember right the dog was 1 1/2 years old. I did like the dog but should have been worked more upto this point.
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I would have let the setter hold the point while I approach for a flush and shot. If the shorthair had been called in as in your case, I wouldn’t have shot the bird. I would have immediately started working on having the shorthair learn to honor the setters point.
Kurzhar is the word for shorthair. I would have had the pup on a cord and then controlled his approach to the setter and when he got wind of the bird I would have stopped him. then flushed the bird.
The older did the work & the younger dog got the credit.
I am guessing the word is kutze?
I don’t care what the German for Shorthair is. What I saw was an UNBROKE dog. What that poor GSP was taught to do was to bust a broke dogs piece of bird work. I would have never put a pup in that position and expect anything but sloppy manners.
When are hunters going to learn that the yard work has to be done beforehand. By hunting over an untrained dog these guys have put the dog and maybe each other in an unsafe position by letting the pup go in and mash around until it stumbles over the bird.
Kurzhaar.
He is young and obviously already bold. In my opinion the bird should not have been shot. If you were already giving him the point steal just for being a young dog. You should not have rewarded him with a bird though.
kurzhaar
When I was stationed in Germany I believe some of sportsman’s club members called them Kurze Harr. It really doesn’t matter what you call them … I call them fun to watch!
I’m a ethnic mixture of German and Irish. Ich spreche Deutch- Kurtz is the word for short- Haar for hair- so Kurtzhaar- das ist Korrekt um diese hunden auf Vogel jaegar, Jawohl!!
First- I didn’t see quite enough braze orange on both hunters to make me comfortable. Although the Irish Setter had the point, the GSP busted it, and if I were a dog trainer, which I am not- I would NOT have shot the bird- as dogs learn by association- the young GSP learned what from this experience? That it is OK to bust flush a point, he got praised for a fine retrieve- but what if the gunner had missed- would he have come back as he did with the dead pheasant.
I have Labs- my present one- 3 year old male named “Khartoum” will stop before flushing a pheasant, and has good close range- and would bring me back Marlene Dietrich if she were still alive- Auf Weiderschoen!!
Kurzhaar,which is 1/4 of the breeding genetics in a DD.
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Dies ist wie,
( kurze Haare ), Gut Aber eh? Gut zeigen auf .
Vielen Dank .
The German word for Shorhair is Kurzhaar. I hunt young dogs like that Shorthair alone on their first birds. Certainly I do not shoot a bird that the dog flushes. This dog has plenty of spirit and drive for birds. He needs controlled contact with some birds, a solid “Whoa” command for steadying. If he bumps the bird, he learns. If he’s staunch and the bird is killed he learns and is rewarded.
Kurzhaar is the German word for shorthair.
I knew there was going to be problem when someone said “lets see what happens”. This is a young dog, who is not steady to wing yet. I would not expect this dog to be able to hold point with all the distractions, another dog, two hunters, different enviroment, etc… I would probably still be using a checkcord in this situation and not have given him the reward of the retrieve.
Kurzhaar
“Shorthair” in German is “kurzhaar”.
The young GSP needs some training in backing or Honoring on Point. Kudos to the Irish setter for holding the point after being busted by the GSP.
The mistake here was that the hunters allowed and encouraged the GSP on to the bird (smell). Instead he should have been “WHOA,d” when in sight of the Irish or could have been brought in behind the Irish and re “WHOA’d”. He should have never been allowed to bust the point, flush the bird and retrieve that bird. He just learnt that he could do that and was rewarded.
Alternatively Honoring and Backing can be taught and should be taught in the yard (before a field situation presents or hunting with other well trained dogs). This can be done in the yard with another dog and a wing-on-a-rod.
See “Gun Dog by Richard Wolters, Chapter 12 pp. 122-129.
Kurzhaar.
I love my GSP!
I believe it’s Kort Haar
Shorthair in german: Kurzhaar